tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2555405196944746092.post1225580391876248939..comments2023-10-20T02:23:38.202-07:00Comments on Geeked: Wise FeminismKristinahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10231032292970942791noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2555405196944746092.post-50527507294782598062009-05-19T20:35:34.146-07:002009-05-19T20:35:34.146-07:00I absolutely get what you are saying, put your mon...I absolutely get what you are saying, put your money towards books that are close to what you want. My problem is 1 - with Joe Quesada saying that if you buy the books, you agree that there is no sexism in Marvel, and 2 - this book isnt what i want. I DONT like Sex and the City, i DONT want to see Marvel women talk about breast cancer. It isnt what i want in a book at all (from the pitch, if the book is drastically different from the 2 solicits, then hey, hooray).<br /><br />I will check the book out but i hate owning something that i dont like. The book sells, Joe Q sees this as an endorsement that the book isnt sexist. The book doesnt sell, they say "well, we tried marketing to those women-folk, they are so mysterious". Even better, he sees the first issue with the cheesecake cover sell, and then the non-cheesecake second cover doesnt, this means that clearly, people want cheesecake.<br /><br />If i could bring myself to buy the book, i would. But i hate owning something that i regret the purchase of. <br /><br />You have an excellent post here, and if i could get over myself, i would do as you suggest, and you have given me a bunch to think about :DRobynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16961465560856628709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2555405196944746092.post-24778635244714124242009-05-15T20:09:00.000-07:002009-05-15T20:09:00.000-07:00@Aaron: I told your lady she has a fine, fine man ...@Aaron: I told your lady she has a fine, fine man today. Actually, I just told her that I liked you, but it's pretty much the same thing. (Right?)<br /><br />I did know this! And it's one of the only reasons why I'm not directly lambasting Divas. Also, I am trying to learn how to be 'fair' and 'patient' before ripping something an asshole. (I'll use scissors on my copy, just wait.)<br /><br />Tittycover is a tittycover is a tittycover. I'm interested on the inside and resigned to the idea of advertising towards a majority. Even if that majority have penises that make them 'hurrrr'.<br /><br /><br />(you're not late, WFA just linked me, which means an influx of page hits. omgwe'refamous?)Kristinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10231032292970942791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2555405196944746092.post-79827751870142198202009-05-15T13:31:00.000-07:002009-05-15T13:31:00.000-07:00I'm a few days late to the party, but whatever.
...I'm a few days late to the party, but whatever. <br /><br />There are two huge reasons I'm going to pick up the first issue of Marvel Divas. The first is Firestar, who has far and away one of the most unique and well-developed superheroine personalities ever. Anyone who just knows her from Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends, and not from Nicieza/Bagley's brilliant New Warriors run and Busiek/Perez's equally brialliant Avengers run is missing out on an incredibly complex picture of a woman who is torn by reluctance to act, who is afraid of her own power one one hand, but exhillerated by it on the other. <br /><br />Do I expect this characerization to come through in Marvel Divas? Somewhat, and here's why. Roberto Aguirre Sacasa was a GLAAD-award winning LGBT playwright before he was a comic book writer. Based on what I've read of his (the fantastic 'Angel: Revelations' and a fantastic four mini that tied in to some event and was much better than the actual event) he really gets complexity and subtlety of character, and writes strong women very well. <br /><br />So, tittycover aside, I'm very much looking forward to this book.Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09957899412428315073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2555405196944746092.post-70160751003020161632009-05-10T09:53:00.000-07:002009-05-10T09:53:00.000-07:00I think that things featuring women are sometimes ...I think that things featuring women are sometimes explicitly not intended for women.<br /><br />I don't care to find out how Wonder Woman takes a bath... but a man might care to see that.<br /><br />What I don't like is this cheesy, "See look it's girls. Doing girl stuff." Cop out, bs, garbage.<br /><br />Fine, you publish things that are not specifically intended for a female audience. Own it. I don't care. If I want to watch Sweet Home Alabama, I can watch it. I don't need to read it. If I want to read a comic, I'll read a comics. Obviously neither of us find zombies outside of our realm of interest. <br /><br />But I don't want Marvel making excuses for a little T & A. Own it or shut up about it.qtillahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10341878873082776791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2555405196944746092.post-75131437869019487382009-05-08T18:01:00.000-07:002009-05-08T18:01:00.000-07:00@KW: oh I got that. you more "sold" me ...@KW: oh I got that. you more "sold" me with the "give it a chance" ideaology. because I 1) support feminism and girl geeks and want to see that aspect of geek culture thrive! & 2) actually enjoy a good tale revolving around female charecters and their problems like Ultra was.<br /><br />that's what I meant when I said you "sold me" on trying it out. :)Mike Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16613018407883090887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2555405196944746092.post-24900980542167871902009-05-08T15:02:00.000-07:002009-05-08T15:02:00.000-07:00@Brinstar: I always think of something else after ...@Brinstar: I always think of something else after I hit 'post'. Quesada's message isn't wrong, unfortunately, and the older (more jaded, less caring, maybe?? ha.) I get, the less I give a shit about mainstream too--which is why I was curious about what your final straw was. I can't imagine I'll ever see a day where I'll be satisfied by a female superhero comic from DC/Marvel, simply due to their track record and willingness to remain the same (ie, not give a shit, thank you My Cup O'Joe). For me personally, I think more and more it's a waste of my energy. Go indie. <br /><br />@MM: I honestly wasn't trying to sell anyone on anything. My discussion is on the sensibilities behind trying to get a mainstream company to hit the feminist target and how to go about making dissatisfaction known via other means than just a very frustrated fury aimed at the internet. Whether I think anyone should actually buy Marvel Diva's or not isn't the issue. :)Kristinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10231032292970942791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2555405196944746092.post-7169466865175286292009-05-08T14:51:00.000-07:002009-05-08T14:51:00.000-07:00@Brinstar: "But at the same time, using personal p...@Brinstar: "But at the same time, using personal platforms to voice opinions can be an important tool in swaying the status quo." Exactly--I see both tactics as necessary. If someone is willing to invest the emotional energy into mainstream superhero comic books, I think utilizing both the numbers platform and voicing opinions--blogs, writing letters/emails, are vital. I don't think it's a one or the other sort of situation.<br /><br />Basically, I saw bloggers who were angry about not getting a book deciding to not even try the book, which is intensely frustrating.<br /><br />Oh, and I'm curious--is there a book or an issue that was your final straw, so to speak, that had you giving up on them? (feel free to email/twitter DM too).Kristinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10231032292970942791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2555405196944746092.post-16312325645444501232009-05-08T13:45:00.000-07:002009-05-08T13:45:00.000-07:00hmm... ok I'll pick up the first issue, you've sol...hmm... ok I'll pick up the first issue, you've sold me on giving it a shot... hopefully buying it doesn't lead to unmanliness...<br /><br />oddly enough that is the 3rd comment on a blog today I started with "hmm..."Mike Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16613018407883090887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2555405196944746092.post-62558852004800312302009-05-08T13:11:00.000-07:002009-05-08T13:11:00.000-07:00For those who were asking for a book dedicated to ...For those who were asking for a book dedicated to women superheroes, yeah they should totally give Marvel Divas a chance. I imagine that people who wanted something like this will probably ignore Quesada's message and buy the books anyway.<br /><br />Speaking personally, In the past 10 years, I haven't bought a new comic book that I wasn't already interested in and wanted to support (an issue of Kabuki, 4 vols. of Absolute Sandman, and the Mirror's Edge miniseries). I walked away from superhero comic books over 10 years ago because they weren't giving me what I wanted. I don't know whether my shopping behaviour had an impact on any of them, but I agree with you -- if you're actually invested in something, try it, and if you don't like it, don't support it.<br /><br />But at the same time, using personal platforms to voice opinions can be an important tool in swaying the status quo. Change is not something that happens overnight, and it can be quite hit-or-miss, but if businesses are wise, they aren't only looking at money, they're also listening to and attempting to understand the views of people in their target market.Brinstarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15677759489288564315noreply@blogger.com